Arkansas City will not be the focus now, but we can still talk about the town. For now the blog is a blog in search of an identity. Considering what the new niche will be.
Thursday, January 20, 2011
Controversial ad
Here is a controversial video. Some thought it funny, some were offended. What do you think?
At one point it had a chance of being on during the super bowl, it wouldnt have been anyway, but it got pulled anyway, if that makes sense?
anything rational gets blamed on one dude, but I know there are at least four or five of us out here who say the same stuff judging by the comments. haha
whats ironic is that it is true that churchs are hurting just like most people in the funds dept. also some people would go and or give just to get a free pepsi (not pushing brand here) and some doritos. d. sorry i couldn't resist.
Well churches do use things like free snacks to attract people. some have super bowl parties in the basement, or some other room, with snacks and stuff. churches that are actually involved in their communities and doing what churches are supposed to be doing, are generally not hurting as bad as some. but then, they are putting that money back into the community by feeding the poor and doing other outreach things.
Churches should have to pay taxes. It's BS that anything that has to do with religion is tax free while the rest of us are paying through the nose. The church in the commercial probably didn't even have to pay sales tax on those doritos and pepsi.
It wasnt a real church, it was acting for an ad .. so taxes were probably paid. ok, how would this be for a deal.. the church pays taxes and then bills the government for all the work it does in the community.. all that volunteer labor would be billed of course, at say $10 per hour. and all the food for the poor, etc., probably be a real good deal for the churches to pay taxes, and get reimbursed ..
one dose not do good voluntarily in hope of reward, that sounds like a typical ark city Hypocrit. what about the church on Kansas Ave and4th street with the bi board (Wallmart isn't the only place with savings ) that is hard core blasphemy
I might suggest that you folks stop being so critical of 'churches', and get your lazy bods out to the local commission meetings, they meet every two weeks, and voice your concerns for the increasing costs of living to the elected reps, government's excessive spending is probably the single largest factor that is destroying the buying power of the dollar. Put pressure on them constantly, or shut up!!
Oh, my bad. I thought they went to a real church and filmed that. DUH!
"ok, how would this be for a deal.. the church pays taxes and then bills the government for all the work it does in the community.."
Please. The church gets 10% of every member's paycheck, and then the preacher and the help get paid, then they pay utilities, and anything that is given to the poor is donated. It's really quite a racket. I should go online and get a preacher's license and start my own all cash tax free business of talking old ladies out of 10% of their SS money.
Show me the church where everyone gives 10% of their paycheck. Show me a church where even 10% give 10%. The BARNA Research group estimates that 5% of church goers tithe, with the average falling somewhere in the 2 - 3% range. Churches and church related charities account for a major portion of assistance to the poor, and for disasters around the world, and do relieve a great deal of burden from the government.
It probably never occurred to you that many of the Biggest and most respected Universities/Colleges were started by Religious Groups/Denominations.
Almost all of the early ones were Church supported! (Where were all those Bleeding Heart Liberals back then who want Government to fix everything?)
Then figure the same thing applies for Hospitals and Major Health Clinics!
Until we got Socialized Education and the Predecessor to Socialized Medicine through Government involvment and regulations!
I know you don't read/believe History either!
Ex. BYU is one of the most respected and cutting edge colleges for technology - their Medical Center gave us the the first attemp at a semi- successful artificial heart! They are Mormons!
Btw: I know of an elderly gentleman who has Parkinsons disease - he had a special device implanted in his brain to reduce or eliminate his tremors! The first one got infected and had to be removed till he healed. The second attempt worked!
He went to the BYU Medical Center in Utah!
He's Catholic!
Btw: I'm not Anti-Government just Anti Socialism/Communism!
I'm not Anti-Government just Anti Socialism/Communism! > Trying to provide health care, or make health care accessible to all americans is not socialism. THAT is the big lie, that it is socialism. If you take it like that, you would have to admit that having a public water system is socialism too ... should we stop having a public water system?
(It's about the ability to use your smart phone to replace credit cards and make payments or any other debit/credit card transaction without a vynl card!)
Let me attempt to validate a slid point offered earlier. The rebuttalists tried to evade it but I am challenging you to address it.
We have been held hostage nearly with steadily increasing municipal utility rates. If you live in this city and you want water, you buy it from this city. You pay the rate they assign and have no control over its quality or cost.
So, how is that different from health care proposed and overseen by a level of government?
@9:52 - Where would you propose competitors get their water from? Until water can be manufactured, I don't see many options. Delivering water in safe pipes that don't leak costs money. Filtration of impurities costs money... Do you really think the city sees water as a revenue generating entity?
Personally, I think it's a foolish commercial. I would likely have just ignored it or walked out of the room had it aired.
Sure, the arguments about lightening up carry some weight. However, lets not forget that, when confronted with another expression of religious beliefs and values (remember the whole mosque in NYC debate) we were so adamant about defending our Christian faith and values.
Make up your mind. If religion is just something to spoof and bufoon about as it pertains to your views on Christianity, then maybe we should have just kept our mouths shut over the folks who were zealous and serious about their religion.
While I am on this soapbox, the same can be said for all the protesters over the revealing full body scans at the airports. Why make a stink that someone can see an outline of your naked body if we are going to parade around in various stages of undress. Guys with their rears and underwear showing. Girls with their thong showing over the top of their low cut jeans/pants.
Car ads with scantily clad women. Hamburger ads with scantily clad women. Product advertisements with overt cleavage on display. I mean how could someone dress like that and feel violated because a security guard sees a cameo of their physique?
The old saying goes, "Your actions speak so loudly that I cannot hear a word you're saying."
I would propose setting up insurers like Blue Cross to manage health care. Do not allow them to make a profit. Doctors would work for themselves, and would be paid through BC. Citizens would be entitled to basic well care, lifesaving care, and emergency treatment. Want more, pay for it.
That's a silly question. Of course they consider it a revenue generating source.
Go to a commission meeting and listen to the budget planning. Of course they consider it a revenue generating source. In fact, it did so well that four or five of the recent department heads paid themselves and handsome departure bonus from it.
Of course they consider it a revenue generating entity.
But, this would be a time to consider what cities are and why they exist. The original concept was to cost share. Maybe you don't know history. When the nation was first ebing settled, people dug their own wells.
Thos people concerned themselves with protecting water from contamination. They learned to boil water before consuming. REcall that outhouses were also common in early settlements.
Then, folks recognized that sharing in common needs would be much smarter than each man going it on his own. Industrialized nations then sought ways to automate and increase capacity.
Point is, that's why people live in cities. It isn't because they were zoned in. It was so that tehy could share in the cost of common amenities. We cost share for water and sewer. We cost share for roads and sanitation. We cost share for public safety.
Only in modern times have people viewed municipal service as a means of amassing great wealth. $100K salaries for small town city managers is not that old in national history. But, I digress......
of course they consider it a revenue generating entity. That was a silly question. The profit goes into reserves, originally intended to pay for unplanned necessary expenses. More so now, the way government operates, it's a rainy day fund to pay for pet projects and wish list items.
A portion of the old CCEDA Exec Director's $1290K compensation package came from Reserves.
I think there are tasteful ways to "make fun" or laugh at religion. But there is also the idea ,, about saying things about one;'s own. It is a lot more acceptable for christians to make jokes about christians .. or .. i can say my sister is ugly, and even make fun of her for being stupid.. but you better not do it.. :) There is a line out there somewhere .. and its different for every person.
My point about the water was .. as a culture we have decided that certain things are better to be run by a central agency with everyone pooling resources. water, electricity, highways, law enforcement .. no one says that is socialismm, but it is really, if you take the literal meaning of the word. So why is medical care not included? I think medical care should be seen as a utility .. something for the good of tne entire society. The charge of socialism is just a smokescreen i think, the whole medical care thing proposed by the dems is not socialism, anymore than having a pubic water utility is socialism. Instead of crying socialism, the pubs should get to work and come up with some reasonable suggestions...
"However, lets not forget that, when confronted with another expression of religious beliefs and values (remember the whole mosque in NYC debate) we were so adamant about defending our Christian faith and values."
Speak for yourself. For me it was about not allowing a monument to the death of three thousand innocent people by religious whack jobs. It was not the defense of christianity, which is really indefensible when you think of how many people have also been killed in it's name.
My point about the water was .. as a culture we have decided that certain things are better to be run by a central agency with everyone pooling resources.
Well that kind of takes you right into -
Why do we have different levels of Government?
Its not the Federal Governments JOB to provide for healthcare or water, or streets/sewers etc.
That is where it becomes SOCIALISM! (At the Federal Level!)
The Federal Government has overstepped its bounds and in far too many cases is using redistribution of debt as a tool!
The Constitution was very specific when it outlined the Role and POWERS of the Federal Government!
The States, Cities, Counties etc. were not to be run (or overrun) by the Federal Government - Universal Healthcare and Socialized Medicine will do just that!
So the interstate system is socialistic ?? The constitution No Where says things must be done the same way forever. We still dont do things the way they did. They owned slaves... or many did. The constitution says BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE. It means, the government does what we want it to do. Putting artificial limits on it is not reasonable at all... I know, some poor person might be helped and we cant have that, this is america right...., \ Still say health care is no more socialistic than the interstate system...
want to know what happens then? go to thecuttingedge.org. this site will give some pretty good ideas as to what is happening now, and what will happen when, not if, things continue as they are
"want to know what happens then? go to thecuttingedge.org. this site will give some pretty good ideas as to what is happening now, and what will happen when, not if, things continue as they are."
Everybody is going to start wearing Reeboks and/or ice skating? Thanks.. that was a big help.
People need to lighten up. That was funny.
ReplyDeleteSACRILEDGE!
ReplyDeleteOkay, not really. People shouldn't take themselves so seriously. Is it in the bible that you have to use stale cracker for communion?
and Welch's grape juice?
ReplyDeleteHaving a building called a "church" is not in the bible.
ReplyDelete@1130
ReplyDeleteJames, please don't let this become a 75 post argument between you and Mr. biblecontradictions.com. Thanks.
10-4
ReplyDeletewont happen :)
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ReplyDeleteby the way, I didn't write that about church not being in the bible.
ReplyDeleteNope, it was me. No harm meant.
ReplyDeleteanything rational gets blamed on one dude, but I know there are at least four or five of us out here who say the same stuff judging by the comments. haha
ReplyDeletewhats ironic is that it is true that churchs are hurting just like most people in the funds dept. also some people would go and or give just to get a free pepsi (not pushing brand here) and some doritos. d. sorry i couldn't resist.
ReplyDeleteWell churches do use things like free snacks to attract people. some have super bowl parties in the basement, or some other room, with snacks and stuff.
ReplyDeletechurches that are actually involved in their communities and doing what churches are supposed to be doing, are generally not hurting as bad as some.
but then, they are putting that money back into the community by feeding the poor and doing other outreach things.
Churches should have to pay taxes. It's BS that anything that has to do with religion is tax free while the rest of us are paying through the nose. The church in the commercial probably didn't even have to pay sales tax on those doritos and pepsi.
ReplyDeleteIt wasnt a real church, it was acting for an ad ..
ReplyDeleteso taxes were probably paid.
ok, how would this be for a deal.. the church pays taxes and then bills the government for all the work it does in the community..
all that volunteer labor would be billed of course, at say $10 per hour. and all the food for the poor, etc.,
probably be a real good deal for the churches to pay taxes, and get reimbursed ..
one dose not do good voluntarily in hope of reward, that sounds like a typical ark city Hypocrit.
ReplyDeletewhat about the church on Kansas Ave and4th street with the bi board (Wallmart isn't the only place with savings )
that is hard core blasphemy
I might suggest that you folks stop being so critical of 'churches', and get your lazy bods out to the local commission meetings, they meet every two weeks, and voice your concerns for the increasing costs of living to the elected reps, government's excessive spending is probably the single largest factor that is destroying the buying power of the dollar. Put pressure on them constantly, or shut up!!
ReplyDeleteOh, my bad. I thought they went to a real church and filmed that. DUH!
ReplyDelete"ok, how would this be for a deal.. the church pays taxes and then bills the government for all the work it does in the community.."
Please. The church gets 10% of every member's paycheck, and then the preacher and the help get paid, then they pay utilities, and anything that is given to the poor is donated. It's really quite a racket. I should go online and get a preacher's license and start my own all cash tax free business of talking old ladies out of 10% of their SS money.
I should go online and get a preacher's license and start my own all cash tax free business of talking old ladies out of 10% of their SS money.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you should think about joining a Communist Party instead! Maybe even move to a Communist Country of your choice?
They probably operate closer to your standards.
They don't believe in and even persecute religions!
Just saw it. Uhhhh....I'm a Christian and I wouldn't have done this ad. ......was kinda funny though. hehe :)
ReplyDeleteShow me the church where everyone gives 10% of their paycheck. Show me a church where even 10% give 10%. The BARNA Research group estimates that 5% of church goers tithe, with the average falling somewhere in the 2 - 3% range. Churches and church related charities account for a major portion of assistance to the poor, and for disasters around the world, and do relieve a great deal of burden from the government.
ReplyDeleteIt probably never occurred to you that many of the Biggest and most respected Universities/Colleges were started by Religious Groups/Denominations.
ReplyDeleteAlmost all of the early ones were Church supported! (Where were all those Bleeding Heart Liberals back then who want Government to fix everything?)
Then figure the same thing applies for Hospitals and Major Health Clinics!
Until we got Socialized Education and the Predecessor to Socialized Medicine through Government involvment and regulations!
I know you don't read/believe History either!
Ex. BYU is one of the most respected and cutting edge colleges for technology - their Medical Center gave us the the first attemp at a semi- successful artificial heart!
They are Mormons!
Btw: I know of an elderly gentleman who has Parkinsons disease - he had a special device implanted in his brain to reduce or eliminate his tremors! The first one got infected and had to be removed till he healed. The second attempt worked!
ReplyDeleteHe went to the BYU Medical Center in Utah!
He's Catholic!
Btw: I'm not Anti-Government just Anti Socialism/Communism!
I'm not Anti-Government just Anti Socialism/Communism!
ReplyDelete>
Trying to provide health care, or make health care accessible to all americans is not socialism.
THAT is the big lie, that it is socialism.
If you take it like that, you would have to admit that having a public water system is socialism too ... should we stop having a public water system?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/22/2011-01-22_fox_rejects_jesus_hates_obama_super_bowl_ad_according_to_site_creator_richard_be.html
ReplyDeleteThis ad was supposed to run. I do find it offensive.
Trying to provide health care, or make health care accessible to all americans is not socialism.
ReplyDeleteSorry,
But using the Governemnt as the main vehicle/tool with oversight and enforcement as their main GOAL!
Is Socialism at its finest!
yup, that ad went too far. i thought that would have been offensive if it had aired.
ReplyDeleteIt probably never occurred to you that many of the Biggest and most respected Universities/Colleges were started by Religious Groups/Denominations.
ReplyDeleteOh of course. How better to indoctrinate the youth?
From CNN Money Today:
ReplyDeletehttp://money.cnn.com/2011/01/24/pf/end_of_credit_cards/index.htm
What's in your Wallet? (Now to be Phone)
(It's about the ability to use your smart phone to replace credit cards and make payments or any other debit/credit card transaction without a vynl card!)
Let me attempt to validate a slid point offered earlier. The rebuttalists tried to evade it but I am challenging you to address it.
ReplyDeleteWe have been held hostage nearly with steadily increasing municipal utility rates. If you live in this city and you want water, you buy it from this city. You pay the rate they assign and have no control over its quality or cost.
So, how is that different from health care proposed and overseen by a level of government?
@9:52 - Where would you propose competitors get their water from? Until water can be manufactured, I don't see many options. Delivering water in safe pipes that don't leak costs money. Filtration of impurities costs money... Do you really think the city sees water as a revenue generating entity?
ReplyDeletePersonally, I think it's a foolish commercial. I would likely have just ignored it or walked out of the room had it aired.
ReplyDeleteSure, the arguments about lightening up carry some weight. However, lets not forget that, when confronted with another expression of religious beliefs and values (remember the whole mosque in NYC debate) we were so adamant about defending our Christian faith and values.
Make up your mind. If religion is just something to spoof and bufoon about as it pertains to your views on Christianity, then maybe we should have just kept our mouths shut over the folks who were zealous and serious about their religion.
While I am on this soapbox, the same can be said for all the protesters over the revealing full body scans at the airports. Why make a stink that someone can see an outline of your naked body if we are going to parade around in various stages of undress. Guys with their rears and underwear showing. Girls with their thong showing over the top of their low cut jeans/pants.
Car ads with scantily clad women. Hamburger ads with scantily clad women. Product advertisements with overt cleavage on display. I mean how could someone dress like that and feel violated because a security guard sees a cameo of their physique?
The old saying goes, "Your actions speak so loudly that I cannot hear a word you're saying."
I would propose setting up insurers like Blue Cross to manage health care. Do not allow them to make a profit. Doctors would work for themselves, and would be paid through BC. Citizens would be entitled to basic well care, lifesaving care, and emergency treatment. Want more, pay for it.
ReplyDeleteThat's a silly question. Of course they consider it a revenue generating source.
ReplyDeleteGo to a commission meeting and listen to the budget planning. Of course they consider it a revenue generating source. In fact, it did so well that four or five of the recent department heads paid themselves and handsome departure bonus from it.
Of course they consider it a revenue generating entity.
But, this would be a time to consider what cities are and why they exist. The original concept was to cost share. Maybe you don't know history. When the nation was first ebing settled, people dug their own wells.
Thos people concerned themselves with protecting water from contamination. They learned to boil water before consuming. REcall that outhouses were also common in early settlements.
Then, folks recognized that sharing in common needs would be much smarter than each man going it on his own. Industrialized nations then sought ways to automate and increase capacity.
Point is, that's why people live in cities. It isn't because they were zoned in. It was so that tehy could share in the cost of common amenities. We cost share for water and sewer. We cost share for roads and sanitation. We cost share for public safety.
Only in modern times have people viewed municipal service as a means of amassing great wealth. $100K salaries for small town city managers is not that old in national history. But, I digress......
of course they consider it a revenue generating entity. That was a silly question. The profit goes into reserves, originally intended to pay for unplanned necessary expenses. More so now, the way government operates, it's a rainy day fund to pay for pet projects and wish list items.
A portion of the old CCEDA Exec Director's $1290K compensation package came from Reserves.
I think there are tasteful ways to "make fun" or laugh at religion.
ReplyDeleteBut there is also the idea ,, about saying things about one;'s own. It is a lot more acceptable for christians to make jokes about christians .. or .. i can say my sister is ugly, and even make fun of her for being stupid.. but you better not do it.. :)
There is a line out there somewhere .. and its different for every person.
My point about the water was .. as a culture we have decided that certain things are better to be run by a central agency with everyone pooling resources.
ReplyDeletewater, electricity, highways, law enforcement ..
no one says that is socialismm, but it is really, if you take the literal meaning of the word.
So why is medical care not included?
I think medical care should be seen as a utility .. something for the good of tne entire society.
The charge of socialism is just a smokescreen i think, the whole medical care thing proposed by the dems is not socialism, anymore than having a pubic water utility is socialism.
Instead of crying socialism, the pubs should get to work and come up with some reasonable suggestions...
"However, lets not forget that, when confronted with another expression of religious beliefs and values (remember the whole mosque in NYC debate) we were so adamant about defending our Christian faith and values."
ReplyDeleteSpeak for yourself. For me it was about not allowing a monument to the death of three thousand innocent people by religious whack jobs. It was not the defense of christianity, which is really indefensible when you think of how many people have also been killed in it's name.
My point about the water was .. as a culture we have decided that certain things are better to be run by a central agency with everyone pooling resources.
ReplyDeleteWell that kind of takes you right into -
Why do we have different levels of Government?
Its not the Federal Governments JOB to provide for healthcare or water, or streets/sewers etc.
That is where it becomes SOCIALISM! (At the Federal Level!)
The Federal Government has overstepped its bounds and in far too many cases is using redistribution of debt as a tool!
The Constitution was very specific when it outlined the Role and POWERS of the Federal Government!
The States, Cities, Counties etc. were not to be run (or overrun) by the Federal Government - Universal Healthcare and Socialized Medicine will do just that!
So the interstate system is socialistic ??
ReplyDeleteThe constitution No Where says things must be done the same way forever.
We still dont do things the way they did.
They owned slaves...
or many did.
The constitution says BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE.
It means, the government does what we want it to do.
Putting artificial limits on it is not reasonable at all...
I know, some poor person might be helped and we cant have that, this is america right...., \
Still say health care is no more socialistic than the interstate system...
I hate the interstate system too.
ReplyDeleteThe constitution says BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE.
ReplyDeleteIt means, the government does what we want it to do.
Well JJ,
You made a good point!
Except not everyone agrees on what it should DO!
There is a trend to homeschool along with Churches who now have their own schools to avoid the Socailized Education System.
There is trend to exit the inner cities and move to the Suburbs to avoid the Schools and other influences like drugs and violence!
There is a division more pronounced with each generation between those who have personal resources and those who don't! (Welfare)
Then there is the Federal Government (even some attempts by local Governments) who want to make the playing field level!
I don't think you can have level playing field where your motives, resposibilites, morals and values are SO DIFFERENT!
At least not in a Democracy/Republic!
So the division will probably keep increasing and the attemps by Government will continue until at some point the are irreconcilable!
What do think happens THEN?
want to know what happens then? go to thecuttingedge.org. this site will give some pretty good ideas as to what is happening now, and what will happen when, not if, things continue as they are
ReplyDelete"So the division will probably keep increasing and the attemps by Government will continue until at some point the are irreconcilable!
ReplyDeleteWhat do think happens THEN?"
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Workers of the world unite!!!
"want to know what happens then? go to thecuttingedge.org. this site will give some pretty good ideas as to what is happening now, and what will happen when, not if, things continue as they are."
ReplyDeleteEverybody is going to start wearing Reeboks and/or ice skating? Thanks.. that was a big help.