Here is an article from The National Review about politics, paranoia and short memories.
Liberals may want to act like Tea Partiers have brought a new kind of crazy into American politics, but according to the National Review's Rich Lowry, anyone who thinks so has a pretty short memory. Wasn't it just a few years ago that liberals were wringing their hands over the decline of civil liberties under the Bush administration? Didn't the Patriot Act inspire a great deal of the-end-is-nigh rhetoric from the left?
Kinda hard to take these folks seriously
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And these - http://moronswithsigns.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeleteCouldn't they take 10 seconds to proofread their signs - or can they just not spell?
Finally, this on Socialism. Socialist party leaders say, "To be honest, the most socialist candidate in the 2008 election was Sarah Palin."
ReplyDelete"To be honest, the most socialist candidate in the 2008 election was Sarah Palin."
When you have a little free time, this becomes easy.
^^Here's that link http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/14/Obama.socialist/index.html
ReplyDeleteI believe the Tea Party folks are average Americans. Albeit, probably a tad better off financially. This is good. They are around 45-55 yrs old. Old enough to know that you cannot spend money you don't have. Old enough to have started businesses, raised children and old enough to care. Look, these folks retirements are set. They are genuinely concerned about their children & grandchildren and their country. Patriotic. Unfortunately that patriotism has been vilified, demeaned and marginalized by the MSM. No more. They have their attention. Now this, Pres. Clinton comes out with his "you can't cross the line" cr@p. Give me a break. Breathe D.Q., Breathe....
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Yeah, I read the article too!
ReplyDeleteThey did say they they were diappointed that Obama didn't go with the single payer plan!
They are card carrying Socialist in the U.S.!
They referenced Social Security and other programs as Socialist Programs - like we didn't already know that?
The problem with those programs is they are broke! Robbed of their money and replaced with IOU's. If they hadn't robbed them they could have discontinued them and started new ones!
Now it is the responsibility of future generations to keep funding them until they either get to the point they can't be sustained or they raise the retirment age to the point fewer people can collect!
The problem with Socialist is they have no back up plan when their plans fail!
Keep your eye on Greece and Europe!
The very things that are happening there could happen here in a relative short time!
California is probably our Greece!
Their reference to Sarah Palin was about the taxing of the Oil Companies!
Gee, the oil reserves belong to Alaska - you would think they deserve some income off the very resources they own as a State!
But, then as Socailist it all belongs to the Federal Government! Right?
Wrong !!!!!!
The thing that gets me most about Socialist?
Is that when they can't make their plan work say in their state! They want to look somewhere else for the money to keep their failed plans going! (Look at the welfare situation and unemployment in California?)
Kind of sounds like illegal immigration, Sub-prime lending, the auto industry, Healthcare and a few other programs don't you think?
The only problem is they are passing debt on to the future generations - theives who are steeling their kids and grandkids futures!
Now just in case you don't think there is a National Debt? Those people who we owe that money will be glad to remind Us!
We did lose some of our precious freedom with the Patriot Act. But, I suppose it had to be done. 9/11 changed everything.
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9/11 changed everything.
ReplyDeleteWell Clinton knew what was going on in Afganistan and a few other countries! We were attacked several times on his watch as Pres.
He just didn't want to take them on during his terms!
Just lobbed a few cruise missles as warnings then when Bush got elected they saw the opportunity to strike an unsuspecting country!
Who knew there were sleepers within our borders?
How do we know they aren't here now?
And
What do they have planned next?
How do fight an Enemy who doesn't value LIFE?
I believe it is the state of Delaware-"live free or die"
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of tea parties and no more taxes. I hope the folks in Kansas are sleeping good tonight. KDOC is cutting the sexual predator contract to evaluate these dangerous criminals, due to budget cuts. Gives me warm fuzzy feelings knowing we saved some money. So where should the line be drawn on budget cuts? I don't like the idea of raising taxes anymore than the next guy, but is it worth making such deep cuts and putting our children in danger like that? Here's a link..
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Tea parties aren't about "no more taxes". They are about fair taxation and an out of control government. If the government would cut spending it would help a great deal. 47% of Americans don't even pay any taxes, and 40% get money from the government. People need to pull their own weight and not be dependent on the government.
ReplyDeleteSG, where are you getting those numbers.
ReplyDelete97 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot :)
There is a thing called sales tax, and i really doubt anyone gets away with not paying that.
Ok,ok..... so here's the deal...
ReplyDeleteEverybody pays something, one way or the other.
Governments been outa control for years.... and I mean years.
Spending is simply outrageous. Education gets 65% of our states resources. How's it workin for us?
I'm not out to deny education... but somewhere down the line, can they give up 5%.... heaven forbid... we need all the equipment, teaching tools we can get our hands on.
I personally feel we're spending so much on education because a lot of parents aren't helping their own children and the school having to do what the parents should be doing at home.
ReplyDeleteI understand alot of politicians want to keep their campaign promises of not rai sing taxes, but where do we draw the line? Wait until another child is going to be molested and murdered? Is it worth it ?
SG, I'm curious how you feel about raising sales tax?
Kansas Health Institute | Kansans on food stamps up 27 percent ...Feb 10, 2010 ... With the slumping economy, a record number of Kansans - 260000 - are on food stamps.
ReplyDelete"SG, I'm curious how you feel about raising sales tax?"
ReplyDeleteI am on board with the Fair Tax. I have done some reading on it, and so far, it seems like a brilliant idea. Everybody pays their fair share. A person who is well off, and buys fancy toys will pay more for the tax on those items, and a person who is poor can pay very little taxes if they live within their means. I still have some research to do, but like I said.. so far I'm sold.
Obama, on the other hand, wants the Value Added Tax (VAT) like every other socialist country.
Further reading on the fair tax
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_main
See what you all think. If you like the idea, tell a friend.
@SG "47% of Americans don't even pay any taxes, and 40% get money from the government. People need to pull their own weight and not be dependent on the government."
ReplyDelete47% don't pay income tax. They certainly pay sales tax, estate taxes, inheritance tax, etc. etc. etc...
Who do you think should be paying more taxes. The 95% that control 5% of the wealth, or the 5% that control 95% of the wealth? I say let those that have the money pay the taxes....
In contrast, the FairTax dramatically improves economic growth and wage rates for all, but especially for lower-income families and individuals. In addition to receiving the monthly FairTax prebate, these taxpayers are freed from regressive payroll taxes, the federal income tax, and the compliance burdens associated with each. They pay no more business taxes hidden in the price of goods and services, and used goods are tax free.
ReplyDeleteHow can the FairTax generate lower net tax rates for everyone and still pay for the same real government expenditures? The answer is two-fold. Firstly, the tax base is dramatically widened by including consumer spending from the underground economy (estimated at $1.5 trillion annually), and by including illegal immigrants, those who escape their fair share today through loopholes and gimmicks. In addition, 40 million foreign tourists a year will become American taxpayers as consumers here. Secondly, not everyone's average net tax burden falls. For households whose major economic resource is accumulated wealth, the FairTax will deliver a net tax hike compared to the current system.
Consider, for example, your typical billionaire, of which America now has more than 400. These fortunate few are invested primarily in equities on which they pay taxes at a 15 percent rate, whether their income comes in the form of capital gains or dividends. In addition to having the income from their wealth taxed at a low rate, the principal of their wealth is completely untaxed either directly or indirectly. Assuming they and their heirs spend only the income earned on the wealth each year, the tax rate today is 15 percent. In contrast, under the FairTax, the effective tax rate is 23 percent. Hence, the very wealthy will pay more taxes when the FairTax is enacted. In a nutshell, those who spend more will pay more but low, moderate and middle income taxpayers will benefit from the greatest gains in reduced tax liabilities.
I say let those that have the money pay the taxes....
ReplyDeleteYou see you want to only focus on the rich!
Who for various reasons have assets or working capital and wealth that is measured in money!
But, that $1.5 trillion underground economy and bringing in taxes from Visitors?
Makes my eyes POP wide open!
The Fair Tax is a better Mousetrap!
Plus, it's returning the power to the States and Individuals?
It will have more benefit and produce longer lasting results which can turn things around faster! Than any redistribution of wealth program they can produce at the Federal level!
It would make us an immediate viable competitor in the World!
Why in the world when we can see with our own eyes what Socialist Countries has used for answers to their problems? (Like a VAT tax, Socailized Medicine etc.)
Do we want to use same answers here in the U.S.A.?
Sounds good to me.
ReplyDeleteThe sales tax would have to go up quiet a bit wouldnt it?
But that might be ok, if the other taxes went away.
All illegals and foreign tourists would be paying part of our tax bill (as they paid the national sales tax).
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, businesses would be inclined to stay (or start up) in the U.S.A. because of no taxes. If you want an economic/manufacturing boom, this would do it.
The IRS would be obsolete and tax season wouldn't exist.
Furthermore, businesses would be inclined to stay (or start up) in the U.S.A. because of no taxes. If you want an economic/manufacturing boom, this would do it.
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Does this mean businesses would not be paying taxes?
What is the FairTax plan?
ReplyDeleteThe FairTax plan is a comprehensive proposal that replaces all federal income and payroll based taxes with an integrated approach including a progressive national retail sales tax, a prebate to ensure no American pays federal taxes on spending up to the poverty level, dollar-for-dollar federal revenue neutrality, and, through companion legislation, the repeal of the 16th Amendment.
The FairTax Act (HR 25, S 296) is nonpartisan legislation. It abolishes all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes and replaces them with one simple, visible, federal retail sales tax administered primarily by existing state sales tax authorities.
The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.
A majority of Teabaggers believe the amount of taxes they personally pay is "fair." Didn't stop them from doing their big April 15th protests, of course
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Parsing the tea party logic
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Man this is easy.
1:04, etc.
ReplyDeleteExcept, and this bothers us working class dems more than the GOPs, it would decrease the tax burden on high income earners and increase it on the middle class.
And a consumption tax of this size would be extremely difficult to collect, and would lead to pervasive tax evasion. The proposed sales tax rate would raise less revenue than the current tax system, leading to an increased budget deficit.
It's blatantly obvious you are only getting your info from one source. Love the way "repeal amendments" rolls off your lips so easily, as you decry nearly everything our president does as unconstitutional.
Business would not pay taxes on income or payroll. Only on what they buy. (This is how I understand it, anyways)
ReplyDeleteAnd a consumption tax of this size would be extremely difficult to collect, and would lead to pervasive tax evasion.
ReplyDeleteI believe that is probably propoganda by the opposing group who of course want to be or at least mimic Socialist!
I believe the States already have the ability to collect taxes and could easily take on this task!
As for the tax evasion - that 1.5 trillion dollar underground annual economy and the fact there is already wide spread tax evasion - remember Geithner?
Obama, simply wants to use the obvious answers that he sees in other countries!
He has made it clear that his view of Capatilism is that it should lead to Socialism!
Those policies and programs will not work any better here than in the Countries that already use them - why would you think any different?
Man this is easy.
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And I'm thinking — didn't the capitalists just nearly destroy capitalism? Only to be saved by the socialists?
Not really it was Socialist saving their own Social Programs on who corrupt capitalists made a killing!
Read the recent news about the Banks who are being charged with fraud!
They simply were betting against (the riskiest loans) the very instruments they were selling as solid investments!
That wouldn't have happened if the investment banks and hadn't been allowed to merge under the Clinton adminsitration!
Was Bernie Madoff a Capitalist or a Socialist?
Was Bernie Madoff a Capitalist or a Socialist?
ReplyDeleteAns: He was a CROOK!
AND
The crooks were left in Power!
The Banks were left in Power!
The Unions (UAW, NEA etc.) were left in POWER!
The corrupt Politicians were left IN POWER!
True Capitalism would have let them fall (fail) through the floor and into the basement!
Then there would be other parties rush in to pick up the pieces and new opportuinties would have risen from that pile of DUST!
"And a consumption tax of this size would be extremely difficult to collect, and would lead to pervasive tax evasion."
ReplyDeleteOh yeah? When was the last time you made it out of a store without paying sales tax on what you bought?
Socialist leaning liberals like our President will try to find any excuse not to implement the Fair Tax because it will take power from their greedy little hands. But the idea is catching on, and you can only subvert the will of the American people for so long.
Ok, IN csae you need a break - here's a site I go to on the weekends for info. and laughs!
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If you never heard of Click and Clack they have a radio show! They are brothers - one is a auto mechanic and the other is a Lawyer!
Read back through their online letters they are a Hoot!
Fair tax sounds great. It would greatly even the playing field. (considering 47% of Americans paid NO federal income tax last yr) Just one LITTLE problem. The powers that be will fight it to the end. No way they're letting go of that much power. eh?
ReplyDeleteI was wondering, is there anyone on here who voted for Pres. Obama, but now feels differently about their vote? I guess everyone knows how I voted...
D.Q.
Hey DQ. Just in case you wondered. I did not vote for obama. Nor for mccain.
ReplyDeletebut i did vote for another party.
Yes. I 'member you saying that. Thx.
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Just one LITTLE problem. The powers that be will fight it to the end. No way they're letting go of that much power. eh
ReplyDeleteWell if we as a country are going to reverse our current trends and National Debt?
It's going to take some extra ordinary efforts to defeat, remove, and restrain those
POLITICAL ostacles and move FORWARD!
That won't happen unless people are willing to grasp the same Vision!
The people of the fifties were more wealthy with less debt leveraged lives! The Power centers in America were local and not focused at the National level!
But, one thing that probably stands out more than any thing else - they were more HONEST!
(considering 47% of Americans paid NO federal income tax last yr)
ReplyDeleteDQ,
Did you ever notice that all too often that very percentage is reflected in the polls?
what bothers me is doing income tax for someone that only paid in 500 dollars in federal income tax and getting back a EIC with other deductions of over 8 thousand dollars ,, this is socialism?? or federalism?? either way its wrong
ReplyDeletethis is socialism?? or federalism?? either way its wrong
ReplyDeleteYeah well I know of some cases where there are people getting back far more than they ever paid in taxes!
One party in the family is working and the other works part time (maybe even fulltime at various jobs) for cash or as contract labor!
At the end of the year their deductions for children etc. allow them to get far more back than they paid into the tax system!
I think that is part of what they are referring to when they say there is a $1.5 trillion dollar underground economy that is
untaxed!
What if its really more than that?
What about all the cash transactions that go undocumnented?
The current system is just as dependent on honesty!
But
The incentives and goals are to be dishonest!
hat only paid in 500 dollars in federal income tax and getting back a EIC with other deductions of over 8 thousand dollar
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why is it always a poor person that is used as an example of cheaters.
why is there no outrage at millionaires and billionaires using loopholes and such to pay no taxes at all?
Just seems odd that i never see anyone using rich people as examples of people doing bad.
Please show me a rich person who pays no taxes. That is a myth.
ReplyDeleteHere is the left's version of the TEA Party.
ReplyDeleteWhich is crazier? See for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6b1VOAATNk&playnext_from=TL&videos=1gibpRdVXDE
I just love how you used the word "crazier!"
ReplyDeleteIt's a given now that it is crazy. Just a matter of which is crazier. Ah-hahahaha.
hat only paid in 500 dollars in federal income tax and getting back a EIC with other deductions of over 8 thousand dollar
ReplyDeleteJJ,
I had a similar convesation with someone who makes a living collecting bills.
His comment regarding many of those people who are using the system to their advantage?
Yeah, but they don't have anything!
Now if you think about that he is right!
They don't build equity in a house.
They don't set aside anything for retirment.
They depend on the Government for helathcare.
For education.
For food.
So, they live for today get by on what they can, sneak in things under the radar that won't trigger a loss of benefits!
Who will provide for them in the future?
Its become a way of life for far too many and some don't know any different or how to change!
That is SAD!
AND
Probably a crime against humanity!
25,000 people a day die of starvation and J Lo has diamond and ruby crusted cribs for her children. Tell me she couldn't afford to pay a little more in taxes. I honestly know people who use a cardboard box for a crib. They probably work harder than J Lo ever has or ever will...
ReplyDeletej lo worked for her money and deserves to have her days to squander wealth, what we need to worry about is places like ark city who build a 5 million dollar football stadium and 2.5 million dollar sports complex and then the state wonders why the school system is broke and we need new taxs,,, these people that spend money like this should be hung,,, and the idiot that gets 8 grand back a year with a 18k a year job is another one of the problems, i would dare to bet his yearly salery that 2 days after he gets his or her refund they are broke
ReplyDeleteJust seems odd that i never see anyone using rich people as examples of people doing bad.
ReplyDeleteI think you have to ask will taking the money from the Rich make less POOR?
History probably doesn't show that has ever worked!
AND
There has been a lot of history to prove it doesn't work!
So, are you saying there simply isn't enough money in existence to go around! When we can simply print more? (But it becomes woth less)
or
Are you saying that there aren't enough opportunities and we should force people to give up something (maybe) their own job and give it to someone in need? Maybe their house?
or
Is it that we need to teach people why responsibility and values are the basis for a healthy Society! That there is a reason for the Family unit structure with two Parents! That marriage does have a purpose besides taxes and
ownership of assets in a divorce! That paying debts is an important tool in building credit! That ownership of property is a privilege not a right!
That the Society you wish to build should be based on what your willing to contribute not on what you expect or demand in return!
@April 19, 2010 9:15 PM - Just seems odd that i never see anyone using rich people as examples of people doing bad.
ReplyDelete"I think you have to ask will taking the money from the Rich make less POOR?" No, but it might make them less hungry.
"History probably doesn't show that has ever worked!" Probably doesn't.
AND
There has been a lot of history to prove it doesn't work!
"So, are you saying there simply isn't enough money in existence to go around! When we can simply print more? (But it becomes woth less)"
Oh, there is plenty of money to go around without printing more. I just wish people were paid what the are worth, and that the wealthy didn't exploit the poor and middle class to get where they are. It is the common laborer, and the janitors, and the dish washers, and the migrant farm workers that are the back bone of this country. They at least should be able to afford groceries, health care and perhaps a modest vacation. Bill Gates would still have more money than God if he paid his workers a living wage.n
or
"Are you saying that there aren't enough opportunities and we should force people to give up something (maybe) their own job and give it to someone in need? Maybe their house?"
Sure the poor do not have the same opportunities as the wealthy. We also must figure out our priorities. Why pay someone 30,000,000 to hit a ball with a stick, 15,000,000 to make a movie, or 10's of millions to record a record and even more to go on tour. This while there are hungry people eating out of garbage cans behind our ballparks, theaters, and concert halls.
Should a thug ball player make more than a teacher, or a fireman, or a brain surgeon? Seriously?
or
"Is it that we need to teach people why responsibility and values are the basis for a healthy Society! That there is a reason for the Family unit structure with two Parents! That marriage does have a purpose besides taxes and
ownership of assets in a divorce! That paying debts is an important tool in building credit! That ownership of property is a privilege not a right!" All of these things are true, but you cannot put the genie back in the bottle...
Those days are gone.
That the Society you wish to build should be based on what your willing to contribute not on what you expect or demand in return!
Interesting response and insites:
ReplyDeleteIt is the common laborer, and the janitors, and the dish washers, and the migrant farm workers that are the back bone of this country. They at least should be able to afford groceries, health care and perhaps a modest vacation. Bill Gates would still have more money than God if he paid his workers a living wage.
So, who should lead the way to correct this situation? The Government?
With their very disincentives make it more profitable to depend on them for healthcare and food and then you are penalized if you try to get ahead through loss of benefits!
I think it is interesting to see the Gates Foundation and even Oprah spending money from their massive fortunes over seas! Battling preventable disease and helping in countries where there is little to no hope with Governments to corrupt to care and that don't have malpractice laws or Lawyers!
Maybe the are planting seeds of hope?
Sure the poor do not have the same opportunities as the wealthy. We also must figure out our priorities. Why pay someone 30,000,000 to hit a ball with a stick, 15,000,000 to make a movie, or 10's of millions to record a record and even more to go on tour. This while there are hungry people eating out of garbage cans behind our ballparks, theaters, and concert halls.
Well I once heard that as much as half of the food is thrown away because of waste or spoilage!
But it can't be given away to the poor for fear someone might get sick! Who would profit from that? But they can eat it from the trash and no one cares?
Should a thug ball player make more than a teacher, or a fireman, or a brain surgeon? Seriously?
From your perspective there are thousands if not more teachers than ball players who make multi-million dollar salaries!
They aren't worth that money to me! But there time to shine is short and there is always someone(s) waiting to replace them - where else but in America could they go from Public Housing to a Penthouse! Then often they can't manage their wealth and end up broke! (Full circle)
All of these things are true, but you cannot put the genie back in the bottle...
Those days are gone.
No you can't put the genie back in the bottle!
Take things back to an earlier point in time!
Just like you can't take back a bullet once it fired. Or a life once its been sentenced to prison for Life!
When you place more importance on money than life? (Maybe even support the cost of an abortion?)
Make money all about your Government!
Make money all about your God?
You have probably sold your own Soul!
What I would like someone to explain to me?
ReplyDeleteIs how the States who are supposed to be the second line of defense and a barrier from a Predatory Federal Gocvernment?
Got so dependent on the Federal Government?
Now everything is UPSIDE DOWN!
I just refuse to stand on my head to see eye to eye with all of them!
If the Fair Tax is "Fair" and it resolves some of the inequaity and reduces the influence or POWER of so few in Government!
(You want to bitch about the rich - those few people in Congress and in State Legislatures have more contol than the wealthy! Of course some are in the same boat!)
I think it should be enacted!
I wish you could hear what you have written.
ReplyDeleteYou actually believe anyone wields more power than the rich?
No Fair tax. It isn't fair.
How can you really say it's not fair to pay your share?
ReplyDeleteThe fair tax is the only fair way to tax people. Anyone who doesn't want to pay their share is a mooch.
ReplyDeleteJust calling it a "fair tax" does not make it a fair tax.
ReplyDeleteSeems like it wants to abolish corporate taxes? that doesnt sound too fair?
A fair tax would tax everyone, including huge corporations.
They call it the Fair tax to make it more palatable. Who would support the Blowing smoke up middle America's backside tax? I'll always support paying MY fair share; your arguement is just the ticket's response to naysayers. Probably makes me a communist, right?
ReplyDeleteWell fisrt we have become a consumer and service econonmy - the fair tax would capatilize on consumer spending!
ReplyDeleteSecond the fair tax would put money back into the hands of people through tax relief and act much like stimulus checks because everyone who gets a paycheck would not have money deducted for Federal taxes!
Third, the tax revenue collected would be more
continuous flow of money. It would be a more real time system and wouldn't have the same effect that tax season has on consumer spending! It would even the spikes and troughs caused by refunds and payments!
Fourth, it would reduce the cost of Government! You woudn't have a redundancy of programs where the State and Federal Government are funding and providing the same service! Colleting taxes! (They'll hate that one!)
Fifth, It would help with the tax evasion problem and everyone would be contributing based on their ability and conmsuption patterns! It might even reduce prices through providing lower operating costs to businesses and indutry!
Sixth, It would be beneficial to rebuilding the manufacturing base in the U.S. You wouldn't be taxing the businesses or the corporations!
You would be taxing their owners through their consumption patterns!
Fianlly, why wouldn't you want to collect taxes from everyone? Then realize that at the lowest levels they will not actually be paying tax up to the poverty level!
The ones who will want to fight it probably aren't the ones you think! It will be all those who make their living from the current tax system Private and Public! IMHO!
In Europe one of the biggest obsatacles to them accepting the Euro Dollar was the people who made their money calculating currency rates between countries! But, because of that system it was difficult to do business between countries because the cost were always subject to the ever changing currency rates!
Btw: There is one little problem I left out!
ReplyDeleteWho could you tust with all that money that could be "FAIR".
We would probably have to find them on another Planet!
But for now if you want to see things return to something like the OLD AMERICA!
Its going to take some real AMERICANS who still believe in CAPITALISM!
"The only people who ought to fear the kind of oversight and transparency that we're proposing are those whose conduct will fail this scrutiny," he said.
ReplyDeleteObama ended his speech by quoting a Time magazine article quoting bankers saying if reform passes it will be a disaster.
Then he pointed out that the article was from the 1930s -- during the fight over creation of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
Here is a except from Obama's speech on Financial reform! I do believe in the role of Government as a referee in competition!
Who wants to compete in a sport where the rules are made up as the game proceeds or by a official who plays favorites?
But, it should be the competitors who determine the winners and not the referees!
The only way Capitalism really fails is through outside interference/intervention!
(It fleshes out the fat and waste, it always makes things justify their purpose/value, it always is looking to do things cheaper/better, justify its quality, make it more efficient, faster or ends up replacing it altogther with something entirely different!)
That happened with the Auto Industry and The Banks! Government intervention allowed them to get to that point through legisltion, incentives
and/or subsidies!
Without that wrong type of involvment provided by Government they would have FAILED LONG AGO and much smaller!
AND
Without the impact of effecting the whole country!
THEN
The Healthcare industry can't compete TODAY because it is controlled by too many Government Social Programs!
@8:33 pretty convincing. (i'm sold) copy this & mail it to the white house, congress & the irs
ReplyDeleteHere is a very interesting article about trust/distrust of the government over the last several decades. Complete with graphs!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/04/80-percent-of-americans-dont-trust-the-government-heres-why/39148/
@April 22, 2010 3:03 PM
ReplyDeleteNo thanks! It would probably trigger an Audit!
Then
I might have to hitch a ride to Mexico with JJ!
You do it for me!
But in reality which ever side of the decimal point you put that ZERO on that's probably all they can get out of me!
Its really coming down to what kind of country you want to leave for the future generations! I hope its about Capatilism and Freedom!
Considering this might be the first generation to leave the future ones in worse shape then they inherited it!
The ones I most disappointed in - are the ones from the "Summer of Love"! I was real young but remember how they were agianst the Veitnam War!
How Unconditional "LOVE" was going to change the World!
It sure has!
Arizona has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.
ReplyDeleteMany argue the bill promotes racial profiling and will lead to civil rights abuses. The head of the nation's largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony, condemned the legislation, calling it mean-spirited and wondering whether Arizonans would revert to "German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques" of turning people into authorities based on suspicions.
This is from and article on Yahoo where Mc Cain is changing (supposedly) his position on illegal immigrants!
When do you suppose they will get around to calling it an "invasion" of Mexican Poverty on an already weakened American economy!
Seems they have plenty of supporters!
I think Arizonan's are about to take things
into their own hands!
But
Wait till Obama declares Amnesty!
Problem with a national sales tax is that the poor spend a greater percentage of their income on purchases. They do not have disposable income, or money just sitting around in banks. What they have, they have to spend. Thus, 100% of their income is taxed. Not so with the wealthy.
ReplyDeleteThe only fair way to deal with this is to have a transaction tax. Do away with the IRS, and Income tax. Tax every monetary transaction. Each time anything is bought or sold, a small percentage of that transaction is taxed. Both the seller and the purchaser pay. This will make sure that both the producer and the consumer share the burden.
@3:34 sounds good too (i'm sold) i think you should send a copy to the white house, congress and the irs.
ReplyDeletehave you heard the latest? now they're floating a trial balloon of VAT tax. forget cutting spending. let's add tax to every item we buy or sell. they're pretty much admitting that the stimulus and spending they've imposed on us have not worked. deficits spiraling out of control. it's like we got a bunch of teenagers running the government. now they come for more money from an already overtaxed population. Plus, looks like Topeka is about to put more tax on us.
@April 23, 2010 5:35 AM
ReplyDeleteWell that comes when you have leadership that doesn't understand true Capatilism! They don't understand what drives it or its advantages over Socialism and Communism?
Then because they don't understand their own form of Government?
They want to immulate something else!
All those programs they are proposing will act as disincentives!
For indivduals
For businesses and Industry
For the States
The power shift will be towards BIGGER and more controlling Government!
(Wait till they turn the IRS loose on collecting taxes!)
They will know whats best and have all the answers! (Gee, we tried everything else and this is the best thing for everyone!)
And unless someone stops them?
Welcome to the New World Order of Socialist
and Communist!
Problem with a national sales tax is that the poor spend a greater percentage of their income on purchases
ReplyDeleteThe FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend on new goods or services, not on what we earn. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.
How can you say that they will be taxed on 100% of their income when only new goods or services are taxed! No taxes on used items!
Who is buying the majority of the new items?
Then there is a prebate for those making up to the poverty level! They pay no Federal Taxes!
James, please put up a couple more posts so this revolving door can go away.
ReplyDeleteIt's more than fair - yeah?For who - it's a Fair Tax - no it isn't - it's very fair, here's a cut-n-paste why - I'm not reading that - too many spaces between sentences - it is fair
Puh-leez..zzz...zzzzzz....
Puh-leez..zzz...zzzzzz....
ReplyDeleteHmmm! Stick your head in the Sand!
i can think of a better place for them to stick their head.
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ReplyDeleteI am very active politically, I don't come here for that. I want local happenings on my local blog. When I want red v. blue, I go to nat'l political blogs. Especially since KS is so stinkin' red!
@8:54 :"I want local happenings on my local blog."
ReplyDeleteuhhh....knock knock...it's not your blog. as jj has said, you are free to start your own. doesn't cost anything either.
@12:18
ReplyDeleteIt's a figure of speech, Francis. My town, my state, my Royals, my Jayhawks, my blog...
jj has also said he would tone down the natl political stuff.
Well, Ethel, why don't you just let jj do it and keep you little blog police comments to yourself. I like my blog just the way it is. Slam!
ReplyDeleteNo problem here. It's just that he announced he would veer away from this lib/con back-and-forth, and I was looking forward to that. I know where the off button is.
ReplyDeleteOh, awesome slam, by the way. I hope I can recover from it.
I have backed off from it.
ReplyDeleteBut people are continuing the discussion just fine without me.
j