Here is a question I have been wondering about.
People who are conservative are supposed to be the more patriotic of the parties that are out there. Patriotism, love of God and Country are key points of conservativism.
So. why is it that they are so anti-government?
How can you love your country and hate your government?
Can anyone explain this?
I don't hate my government. I just think there should be less of it.
ReplyDeleteI don't hate my government. Just because the MSM tries to view us that way...I don't think there is one Conservative on here that has ever said anything like that. It comes down to the government having too much control over the PEOPLE. Remember the Revolutionary War, Independence Day, the Boston Tea Party? That was the PEOPLE protesting too much government jj.
ReplyDeleteWhen you depend on your government for too much, we’re all in trouble. Read the opening statements in the Declaration of Independence and you will understand where Conservatives are coming from. The first two paragraphs are very powerful.
"Patriotism, love of God and Country are key points of conservativism."
ReplyDeleteWHO SAYS?
I don't think it's a hate of government, but hating the abuse of government. The Constitution is still a great plan. Too bad the people of the government have adapted, changed and then reads what is left to suit them.
ReplyDeleteSmart men, those Founding Fathers.
ReplyDeleteI always thought that was what conservativism was about, patriotism etc., is it not?
ReplyDeleteAbout the declaration of independance. the opening says ...BY the people and FOR the people.
To me that means, WE ARE the government.
In a democracy, does by the people and for the people not mean that governement should be what the people want?
Government regulates utilities such as water, gas, electricity - even cable tv.
Why should it not also regulate something as important as health care?
But , we are the government.
Id rather see my tax dollars go to feed the poor and give health care to the poor than to bonuses for finance executives who are making millions a year already.
The differences between the two parties was and is always founded on money. It wasn't until Ronald Reagan that we began to see a shift in what the conservative party represented. The Demcrats are, if a little looney, just as patriotic.
ReplyDeleteHurricane Katrina is a prime example of people relying on their government too much.
ReplyDeleteI sure don't rely on them everytime a tornado comes my way.
James you are assuming we are a democracy in its true form like the Greeks were. Democracy is where every vote is by every one. We are a republic, a representative form of democracy. We vote for leaders who then determine laws.
ReplyDeleteId rather see my tax dollars go to feed the poor and give health care to the poor than to bonuses for finance executives who are making millions a year already.
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And Wall Street overwhelming voted for Obama --- hmmm, and then he gave them all that big bailout...
Good one MM.
ReplyDeleteI still think the two parties ARE the problem.
We need more parties. parties who are actually in touch with reality and the people. Just two choices are not enough, or maybe its just that I dont like either of the choices.
I know both claim to be in touch with the people ... so dont tell me one is :)
Democrats aren't the only ones that care about the poor jj. Your such a sterotyper.
ReplyDeleteThe Dems just want the poor to believe that to get their votes. Works everytime too.
I am a People and I'm not government. But WE elect them. And they are suppose to represent us. But they have their own agenda and they think they know what is best for us...kind of like why the Declaration got written in the first place, don't you think?
ReplyDeleteAnd the majority of the PEOPLE oppose the public option.
Hey ive not said anything supportive of the dems. I know they are not really interested in helping people who need help. Just cause i question conservatives does not in any way mean i like the other side.
ReplyDeleteI dont like either side.
I am a People and I'm not government. But WE elect them.
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I think that is a problem. You cannot separate yourself from those you elected, or voted for.
You are the government if you are a citizen.
Think about that :)
You dislike both parties jj, but what do you think is in Washington - the government?
ReplyDeleteThey should give us ALL FREE FOOD AND HOUSING TOO!!
Why stop with health care?
So you're telling me that you're Obama jj?
ReplyDelete:-)
When you open up a can of worms, you should do it in a live blog form.
ReplyDeletewow i didnt realize it would be this big of a can of worms. maybe we could do a live blog?
ReplyDeletewould you all show up.?
one more thing, dont blame obama on me, i voted for chuck (constitution party).
Chuck Lidell? Sweet!
ReplyDeleteNo, who was Chuck?
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
ReplyDeletethe candidate was Chuck Baldwin.
Its not so much that I love the CP, but at least they are an alternative and having more parties is the right direction, I think.
But I do like some of their platforms, though not all.
I think really right wing conservatives do not love their country, at least not as it now exists. In fact, I believe they have a deep hatred of itr What they love is the constitution, and the ideals that it represents. Most are longing for revolution, and a new America, founded on the constitution.
ReplyDeleteActually I do LOVE my country. I don't want them to keep 'changing' it. It's the liberals who want 'CHANGE'.
ReplyDeleteBut I do believe we need some type of health care reform. But I don't want the post office running it.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
ReplyDelete-Thomas Jefferson
I can't believe there has been no mention of the Ft Hood incident!
ReplyDeleteThat is pretty amazing.
ReplyDeleteI didnt cause there was already so much about it
but now i see there has bet
en another shooting today.
ill start a new string on it
JJ,
ReplyDeleteWhile I don't hate my country - what should I like about:
Broken families and irresponsible parents.
Where the financial burden falls to the public!
Drugs and Gang violence.
Which are filling our prisons costing us dearly and destroying the future of millions of citizens young and old!
Special interest groups who want to change the
rules to favor themselves over others.
Who want to change the laws, create special groups, and change the structure and balance of
the economic classes which allows for transition through/from class to class! (ladder effect)
Leaders who are more interested in how they can
retain their positions than about what is fair
and just.
About wasteful spending, increasing debt and transferring debt to future generations!
(Robbing our children and Grand children)
About the atitude that I can do whatever I want
and in America.I'm still owed a decent living.
It's my right and my privilege gauranteed as
a citizen. My efforts and responsiblity aren't
reguired!
About the fact that those who aren't citizens are often given privileges that are not available to those who are legal!
Its not that I hate my country - Its that I hate
what we/they have done to my country!
We are not OWED a decent living. The Constitution guarantees us Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. We have to each achieve it individually or as a group, but the government does not provide. If you want things better, you are guaranteed the right to try to make things better, but no one can guarantee you get what you want.
ReplyDeleteWe are not OWED a decent living.
ReplyDeleteYou need to tell that to some of the liberals who want to develope a welfare state and continue to support irresponsible and destructive behaviors!
Reditribution of wealth maybe not be a crime!
But REDISTRIBUTION OF DEBT SHOULD BE!
AND
Somebody ought to be punished!
When business refuses to act responsibly, the government should enforce laws to protect the citizens.
ReplyDeleteThe banking crisis was caused by the government ending regulations that governed lending practices. The result was predatory lending and unethical practices.
There has to be someone acting as a cop even in business.
Someone should have been punished, but instead, we gave them 100 million dollar bonuses.
that is criminal
When business refuses to act responsibly,
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What about when Government acts irresponsibly
Thats where your wrong!
Business and Government worked hand in hand to create all the things that led up to the melt down! Don't blame it all on business!
Regulation has its place but accountability was what was lacking!
I don't see accountability in the massive amounts of money being spent now or in the "pork" thats getting passed!
More Smoke and Mirrors!
Proposals that do not have any accurate information of cost to administer or maintain and an attitude of the continuation of business as usual! Which is piling up the debt!
The one thing that is encouraging is the contrast between what people really want:
Which is a fair playing field with rules they can understand and a fair shot at making it on their own.
or
A government has all the answers and will take care of me. and even Owes me!
as the direction for the country!
AND that
The fate of Freedom hangs somewhere in between!
Was never more clear!
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWe are not OWED a decent living. The Constitution guarantees us Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. We have to each achieve it individually or as a group, but the government does not provide. If you want things better, you are guaranteed the right to try to make things better, but no one can guarantee you get what you want.
November 6, 2009 4:46 PM
Anonymous said...
We are not OWED a decent living.
You need to tell that to some of the liberals who want to develope a welfare state and continue to support irresponsible and destructive behaviors!
Reditribution of wealth maybe not be a crime!
But REDISTRIBUTION OF DEBT SHOULD BE!
AND
Somebody ought to be punished!
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Go see Capitalism: A Love Story.
We might be guarenteed a right to pursue happiness, but the way things are set up right now, it is a foolosh pursuit.
Coroprate CEO's, and politicians are in cahoots to rig the laws to allow them to prosper off the backs of the poor and middle class.
Certainly there are those who are lazy, and I do not want to be supporting them, but if you are hard working, providing a service this country needs; factory worker, janitor, Wal-Mart cashire, bus driver....
Then you ought to make enought o comfortably support your family.
James Jordan said...
ReplyDeleteWhen business refuses to act responsibly, the government should enforce laws to protect the citizens.
The banking crisis was caused by the government ending regulations that governed lending practices. The result was predatory lending and unethical practices.
There has to be someone acting as a cop even in business.
Someone should have been punished, but instead, we gave them 100 million dollar bonuses.
that is criminal.
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Go see Capitalism: A Love Story
I think the porblem is not that fact that we have a failing government, but yet the bottom line is those who bitch do not vote and those who want change do
ReplyDeletethe hispanic caucus is taking over our government and restructuring our country to drain its wealth this great country has built.
no it is not the fault of big business, no it is not the fault of a failed economy, this is being planed and its intentions are being realised,, sit back and watch as the cost of illegal immigration tears the fabric of a country to shreds.
to many bleeding hearts are pasifist have left us with our panties around our knees and its too late to change it
ive said it before. and it is true.
ReplyDeletemore money is handed out to large corporations via corporate welfare than is handed out via social welfare.
the hispianic thing is pretty funny. racist, but funny.
Well I don't think its all as simple as you want to make it: Blame the corporations!
ReplyDeleteSo here's an example close to home:
We all know the KPERS debacle and how it is something like 8 Billion unfunded! Kansas is one of only three States where the State is obligated to fund the plan. (by the Taxpayers)
Now what you have to ask yourself is how can KPERS allow people to retire at 50+ with a rule where age and years of service must equal the magic number of 85. WHEN they are raising the age of Social Security and medicare eligibility?
Now I don't blame the participants in the KPERS plan as they did their part and time as required to meet the specifications as outlined in the plan.
But, where is the accountability for making and committing to those type of obligations! I am sure the presumption was that based on the return on investments that KPERS was earning in a overheated and over-inflated (bubble economy) it was not seen as a problem! Or was it?
KPERS is both Public and Private! (a public retirment plan represented by a Private Investment Group!)
It has gotten too common throughout our society to find ways or form groups or look for differences in which we can we can be represented which then makes us promises that can only be kept under certain circumstances!
When they fail or fall under there own weight it gets passed onto the majority. Regardless of whether the taxpayers can participate!
If you want to look for the greatest and most damaging thing that is destroying America. Its
the use of Government to support inequality and promote favoritism!
AND thats not just about the difference between the rich and the poor, young or old!
Recntly: Look at the UAW and car industry
Look at Acorn and other groups
Look at what was done to Freddie Mac
and Fannie Mae (the largest holders
of sub-prime mortgages and they are
Government Backed)
and on and on ......
When will we WAKE UP!
So, now the heat is on to reignite the same type of economy or find a new bubble so we can retrace the same or similar event. Run the stock market up to save KPERS and others! That forces corporations to find ways to make record profits which in turn sends them to cheaper and less regulated markets!
Its time for responsibility and accountability!
Too funny, GOPs. How much sense does this make: "I don't hate peas, I just hate how they taste" or "I don't hate ethnics, I just hate how they act"
ReplyDeleteThis is exactly how you sound.*chuckle*
This is exactly how you sound.*chuckle*
ReplyDeleteYou probably right!
That better tommorow has already been given away!
In 1946, the Marginal Tax Rate for Married, Joint Filers earning over $200,000 was 91%.
ReplyDeleteIn 2009, it was 35%.
Tell me again how the government is taking all your money and giving it to the poor?
http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/federalindividualratehistory-200901021.pdf
Tell me again how the government is taking all your money and giving it to the poor?
ReplyDeleteFrom the National Debt Clock:
The estimated population of the United States is 307,246,610
so each citizen's share of this debt is $39,053.84.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.88 billion per day since September 28, 2007!
But then consider the National Debt as distributed to taxpayers:
ReplyDelete$110,297/ Tax Payer and climbing!
The national debt is not real.
ReplyDeleteWhen the economy improves, it will magically disappear. whoever is in power at the time gets to take credit for reducing it.
but of course, the other side will say they were the ones that fixed the economy.
its just a thing politicians use to play with.
it doesnt mean anything.
:)
The national debt is not real.
ReplyDeleteYeah, thats what people say about their credit cards.
Too bad the Government learned how to use credit cards!
You may not see it paid by the taxpayers or even by the present Generation.
It will be paid by through the declining standard of living due to fewer decent jobs and a failing infrasturcture (like roads and bridges) and a reduced World status!
We had huge deficits while Carter and Reagan were presidents. It went away during the clinton administration, and came back with bush.
ReplyDeleteOf course, both sides spin it their own way.
When i lived in S.C. we went from a 600 million deficit to a 600 million surplus in one year because the economy got a lot better.
Its not the same thing as credit card debt at all.
Doesnt anyone remember in the early 90's how there was all the talk about the national debt, then in the late 90s you never heard of it anymore ..
Yes, I do remember, it was nice to have surplus during the Clinton era.
ReplyDeleteClintons surplus was not real!
ReplyDeleteAND it was due inpart to the Internet Bubble and the ramp up to Y2K.
It resulted in a recession the first year of Bush's adminsitration when the Bubble burst!
Clintons surplus was not real!
ReplyDeleteAND it was due inpart to the Internet Bubble and the ramp up to Y2K.\>>
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Which proves my point. The economy did improve while Clinton was in office. Of course the dems take credit and the pubs say it was a result of changes made under Reagan.
No matter, both sides will try to spin it as best they can. I think it shows how neither side is to be trusted :)
But, the part you missed was all the destruction that resulted from the "Bubble" economics.
ReplyDeleteEspecially when Government is used to supplement or subsidize the process!
Talk about redistribution of wealth!
JJ,
Did you miss what happened to Japan and some of the other countries over the past decades?
Why they fear stagflation more than inflation or deflation?
Because that economic trend is just to move sideways!
We have had a deficit for a very long time, probably before the 1960's. You are confusing the deficit with balancing the budget. Clinton had a surplus budget, which allowed us to pay off our debt, event though the surplus probably not enough to pay off the interest on the debt. The Prez and congress needs to create a balanced budget, or possibly a surplus budget, to start paying off the debt. Problem is, if we create a huge health insurance program, without cutting 1.2 billion of other programs over 10 years, we are just going to add to the debt.
ReplyDeleteFinally, someone who understands that unlimited and wasteful spending is the problem!
ReplyDeleteNow to find someone who can understand that its where we are putting our money today that is the other problem.
Like all that money we are spending on foreign oil rather than allowing competition that could find ways to spend it here in the U.S.