Sunday, December 6, 2009

Christmas story

Here is a Christmas story I wrote some years back ...

As Christmas approaches, we celebrate the coming of Christ into the world. As Christians, we have also had Christ “born” in our hearts when we received a relationship with Him. Even today, we may have many “receptions” of Christ as he comes to us. How will you react when Jesus comes to you, regardless of the method, to have a closer relationship with you?
In Luke Chapter 1, we see how two people reacted when Jesus came to them.
The Angel Gabriel was sent to a priest named Zechariah, and to a peasant girl named Mary, and he announced the coming of Jesus to both of them.
Zechariah was a priest, and according to the text a righteous man. He was a faithful follower of God, and as a Priest had a certain rank. If anyone would be expected to have faith, it would be Zechariah.
He was chosen to burn incense before the alter of God, which was done yearly. This was a very high honor as the priest was standing in front of the alter in the presence of God. The priest would actually enter the Holy of Holies, which was done only at this time each year.
This was how it had been done since the time of Moses as the priest made atonement for the sins of the nation of Israel.
According to Jewish legend, when priests went to the altar for this duty, a rope was tied around their leg just in case they were struck dead by the Sprit. If any sin was found in them, this could likely happen.
The text tells us he was a righteous man and had been praying fervently for years, asking God to give him and his wife a son.
Now, in his old age, he sees an angel, Gabriel, who is bringing him news that he will indeed have a son. That son is to be John the Baptist.
But even so, Zechariah doubts. He asks the angel how he can know for sure. In essence, he was asking for a sign that the angel’s words were true. The Jewish leaders all had this problem … a basic lack of faith in God. When Jesus ministered on the earth, the Jewish leadership constantly hounded Him for a sign.
Gabriel was no common angel. He is the one that stands before God, implying a special relationship. He had been sent to both of them with a specific message.
It is interesting to note that Zechariah was standing before God at the moment. By offering the incense, he was doing on an earthly level what Gabriel was doing on a heavenly level.
Even so, he asked for a sign as though he really did not believe.
Zechariah would still receive the promise even though he had not believed, but he would not be able to speak until the child was born.
Later in the chapter, we see a much different scenario as Gabriel appears to Mary, to tell her that she will bear the Christ child.
Mary was probably a basic peasant girl without much education. Many people probably would not have considered her a spiritual giant. And as you might expect, she was terrified at seeing an angel.
Here response is much different than Zechariah’s response though. After just a little questioning, she believes the angel.
“I am the Lord’s Servant. May it be as you have said,” she told him.
Her faith was simple but effective.
While Zechariah had all the education and connections, he failed in the crunch, to have simple faith.
If we compare the two people, we can see that perhaps religious position does not necessarily translate to being truly close to God.

11 comments:

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  2. My relationship with Jesus is one of conflict! I have no doubts in my heart whatsoever that the only Truth in this world is the Word of God, but my mind continually wrestles with the suffering of some compared to the MANY blessings of others, while we all only have one chance at living this life!? The men of old in the Bible, as in the story you related, SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES angels, and still doubted? While we in the present seem to live in a world where there are no accounts of angels speaking to men, and must accept on blind faith what paths our lives take. When there is true pain and sorrow filled experiences, the organized churches of today,(at least the one I have been a family member of for over three generations) offers little to no comfort!

    WHERE ARE YOU JESUS???

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  3. Good post. There will always be questions. I see questions as different than doubt.
    The question of good and evil, or why there is evil, is the question when you talk about some having it hard and some having it good. I dont think there is a reason or at least i dont know the reason, why life is good for some and not for others.
    I do not believe for a moment that effort has that much to do with it really. Hard work is no guarantee of success, or even living above poverty. and being lazy is no guarantee of being broke...
    As it is writ in ecclesiastes .. all is meaningless, striving after the wind..
    I think these are good questions to think about, but they can also be a distraction.
    Im not so sure the ancients saw with their own eyes and still doubted, i dont see that in scriptures.
    The thing is ..
    Jesus has to reveal himself to you in a supernatural way. the church cannot make jesus real to you.
    Where you are is a good place, its a good starting point. As it is writ .. seek and you will find.
    The answer is not in religion or in books or in the church.
    The answer is within you.
    Pray, asking Jesus to reveal his truth to your heart ... it may not happen immediately, but if you pray for that, and seek it honestly, you will find it.
    I remember so clearly, in 1988, i was reading my bible and jesus asked the disciples if they understood what he had told them. They said they did and that he was speaking clearly.
    I was so angry, i threw my bible across the room and said NO YOU ARE NOT SPEAKIGN CLEARLY.
    I asked God to reveal the truth to me.
    It took about 6 months from that point, but ... it happened finally.
    I dont know why it takes time sometimes, but it does .
    but if you will pray earnestly for God to reveal his truth to you, and look for it ... it will come.

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  4. You don't see it in the scriptures??? "But even so, Zechariah doubts". (It was typed by your own hand!) And this was after a being such as Gabriel must be, one unlike anything we have ever seen, told him that he would have a son!? The Holy Scripture tells us that it is better to suffer for doing good, if so be the will of God, than to suffer for doing evil, but this is a hard pill to swallow. The answer, I will agree, is not in the context of the church as I related it to you, but one should expect to realize comfort from the church as it is referred to biblically, as in the 'body of believers in Christ Jesus', although I have never! In this day and age of political and secular beliefs, a man truly stands alone if he has found himself to be one who has, and does, suffer for doing good. It is truly a fearful thing to fall into the Hands of the Living God! "A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry, but money answereth all things", another Ecc. quote (as I have read and reread the Good Book). So if I cannot find work to help provide for my family, (but have an old life ins. policy), is the greatest gift that I can give, to lay down their life for another, a bullet to my head?? I think not, but again the doubt! You say that the Truth has been revealed to you, but as I read your views on the political issue of the TIF, I fail to understand how a true believer could endorse something that is niether biblical nor constitutional?! And if you now see the bible clearly, what role does our nation play in the eschatological role of it? Are we, as individuals with free will, suppossed to submit to the minority position of leaders who 'see what needs to be done, and do it', or are we, as Christians, to be watchmen like the prophet Ezekiel, and warn our fellow man of the impending Judgement of Almighty God concerning secular issues as abortion, gay marriages, 'the love of money' among many more?

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  5. Well for the most part, those that saw angels, miracles and so forth believed. THat Zecharaiah doubted is noteworthy cause it was so rare.
    but im not even sure what people mean when they say "doubt".
    The idea of suffering for doing good .. in context, refers to the idea of obeying the law or not .. if you break the secular law, you will pay the price. you suffer there, but not for any noble reason.
    its better to suffer for doing good in that case as opposed to suffering because you broke the secular law.

    as per the church and comfort. dont mean to be a smart aleck, but you do reap what you sow in that area. you do have to develop some relationships within a local body, and they should give you love and support .. you have to be willing to tell people what you need, be vulnerable etc.. if they dont, id suggest trying another church, but just be sure you are doing your part :)

    on the other points, i am in the minority in that i do separate my politics from my theology. i do not see conservative politics as biblical by any stretch, but no more or less than liberal politics. both are political systems and are not biblical in any sense.
    One may be a little more so than the other, but .. thats like saying its ok to steal because murder is worse.

    I do not see our nation playing any role in biblical eschatology at all. the west is not mentioned. you cant find the USA in revelation :)
    but you are assuming a pre-trib view.
    what if ... what if .. what iff :)
    revelation and all that is more a commentary on current times (first century Rome) than literal prophecy?
    i dunno ... just a thought.

    I think - and i am in the minority here - that christians should be busy showing the love of God and preaching the good news of Jesus Christ, and not troubling ourselves with politics.
    Government is evil by its very nature, to try to change that ... is a losing proposition.
    you can dress a pig up any way you like, but first chance it gets, it will be back in te mud. same with politics.

    The first century christians were not protesting government policies - like burning christians at the stake or beheading them.
    Rather, they preached the gospel of love and peace.
    THAT is what worked then, and it is the only thing that will work now.
    :)
    thats my two cents.

    I do endorse a TIF because it makes economic sense, period. I cant see it being unconsitituional or unbiblical. Taxation is both constitutional and biblical.
    As an aside, what if we put a TIF to a vote ...
    i bet it would pass.

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  6. I appreciate your response, but am convinced that it has been awhile since you have studied the Word. I urge you to get back in to it! The bible that I read, the KJV, deals little with secular law, but I can understand how a person can misunderstand and interpret that it does. On the issue of doubting being rare, (doubt; to disbelieve, to hold questionable) many of the biblical characters expressed doubt at some point thru words or action, Peter, David, Solomon, Thomas, Moses, to name but a few.

    As with any subject, men hold their own opinions and state them to be fact, when in reality they are only interpretations. I must hold mine and disagree with you on a TIF being constitutional or biblical, but again, because taxes are mentioned in both, I see how you can say that they are. I must disagree also, on the point of America not being mentioned in the bible because we are the descendants of the tribes of Israel, and they are most assuredly mentioned. Perhaps, as a country, America is not mentioned because we have allowed our leaders to separate church and state to the point that we will succomb to the one world government, and no longer enjoy the Grace of Almighty God!??!

    You make several assumptions concerning my involvement with the 'church', and did not come across as a smart aleck, but rather as one who speaks to issues that he knows little of. I will agree with you on one point; THE EFFICACIOUS BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!!

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  7. America not being mentioned in the bible because we are the descendants of the tribes of Israel,
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    Thats pretty silly. Very few of us are Jews. Where do you get that idea?
    You seem to assume that i dont know what im talking about, ... i might have studied a little bit. :)
    It may be true that we all give interpretations, but do ou not think you do as well?

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  8. If we are not descendants of the tribes of Israel, then who have we descended from? The creation of man began with Adam and Eve, and have not all decended from them? I suggest the book 'The United States and Britain in Bible Prophecy', you can order a free copy online. This book is one view that you may have not considered, but it made some logical sense to me, and is where I got the idea that we are descendants of the Israelites, not JEWS. There is one specific chapter that deals with the possible misconception that you have related.

    I do not assume that you don't know what you are talking about, but how do you know what my relationship is with my church? Why did you avoid responding to the various biblical people who showed doubt at some points in their life? Why do you only cite the book of Revelations as being prophetical, when SO MANY MORE books are as well? Books like Daniel, Ezekiel, Joel, books of both the greater and lesser prophets are wrought with prophecy. There are over 10,000 verses in the Scriptures that are prophetical.

    The second paragraph in my last posting specifically stated that I 'must hold' my opinion, so why do you accuse me of not thinking that my interpretations are such? The statements you have made, and continue to make, show me that you speak to issues of which you know little, ie; my relations with my church, all Israelites are Jews, the book of Revelations being a commentary(?), etc. Either you believe the Bible is the Word of God or you don't, and I for one have a hard time thinking that God revealed a commentary to St. John. I think that the entirety of the Bible should be taken literally, so the figurative descriptions in the book of Revelations are beyond my understanding. I agree that you might have studied the Bible a little bit, and only suggest to you that neither you nor I hold all the answers, I thought that I was pretty clear on this.?

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  9. Ok, now im understanding you a little better.
    I am somewhat familiar with the book you mentioned and the ideas presented. I dont agree with that interpretation.
    We are all descended from Adam, and we are all related, so in that sense, you could say we came from israel. Israel and Judah are separate - or were separate countries, though often the word Israel is used for both. So that could create some confusion.
    Most of us are from european ancestry.
    I dont agree that there is any connection between Israel, Britain and the U.S. We - or britain - are not Gods chosen people.
    The new covenant introduced by Jesus did away with the idea of God using nations, in my view.

    On my remark about revelation being more a commentary, i was just saying its an idea ... im not saying i think its right.
    Im not sure. There are things im not sure about :)
    Prophecy is a very inexact thing. Jesus said take no thoguht for tomorrow ... and thats my attitude. Its more important to worry about things I can control than the future.
    I am somewhat of a calvinist .. thinking that things are pretty well set as far as what is going to happen and nothing can change that.

    I do believe in a literal meaning of scripture, that it means what it says. But you have to take that in context. It means what it meant to the writers and original readers. Also you have to take each verse in context of the rest of the bible.. One verse or sentence by itself, is not good theology.
    You have to take off your western or american shaded glasses when reading, if you get my meaning. There is also a spiritual meaning that has to be revealed by the Holy Spirit. That sounds mystical, and it is, but that is how I see it. For instance, if you see the creation story only as an account of creation, you are missing the point. (not meaning "you" literally.)
    I belive only the original languages are inspired, though most modern translations are pretty good and accurate for the most part. Not a fan of the KJV personally, but i dont criticize people who like it.

    I do belive the bible is the word of God. But there are many interpretations. If we dont agree, it does not mean one of us does not believe the bible.

    What i wanted to get across in my original response was .. that you have to seek revelation. not in the sense of prophecy but in the sense of knowing God and experiencing God.

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  10. The Bible, from the beginning in Genesis to the Alpha and Omega in the book of Revelations is entertwined. There are prophecies that have already been fulfilled, and those of which the plenary fulfillment is yet to come. God's plan is most definetly set, and man can do nothing to change it! God promised Abraham offspring so many as the sands upon the seashores, so, while of European heritage, where did they descend from?

    I am familiar with the passage of "Therefore take no thought of the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof" Matthew ch6 v. 34 But Christ also commanded us to 'watch', which would imply to look ahead for His Coming. In Matt. ch25 vs 31 32, Christ says "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall he sit upon the throne of His glory: And before him shall be gathered all NATIONS: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"...

    I prefer to avoid the more modern translations because it seems to 'water down the meaning'. We modern people, in my opinion, are likely to do the same. As when you said that you see questions as being different than doubt, when the definition of doubt is to hold questionable, and when referring to the context of Zechariah, he held Gabriels delivery of God's promise to him in doubt by questioning it.

    Do you see that I enjoy discussing (or debating) the Word of God with you? Or with anyone for that matter, as it seems to consume most of my thoughts. I am not so much interested in getting you to come around to my way of thinking as I am of leaving a man with reason to search the scriptures.

    I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth. And in His only Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who was concieved by the Holy Ghost, born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again from the dead and ascended unto heaven. Where He sits at the right hand of God Almighty, from whence He shall come to judge both the quick and the dead.

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  11. Thanks
    I enjoy a good discussion on scripture too.
    There are lots of ideas out there.
    I always think its interesting to know why people believe what they do. Unfortunately a lot of people have no idea why they believe what they do.
    I think we agree that the scriptures are an amazing book - or collection books.
    Questioning can have a positive or negative connotation. One can question as a means of coming to the truth, or one can question as a means of casting dout.
    When we are discussing doubting we may just be wrangling over the meaning of words.
    As per translations.
    I think the KJV is very old english - which makes it hard to udnersatnd and easy to manipulate. I really think one can get a clearer pictuer of the meaning by reading several translations, or even studying the original languages.
    THere are tools that you can use to study greek or hebrew, without knowing the language. Are you familiar with Strongs Concordance?
    But as I said, only the original languAages are inspired. I have a few translations that I like to use, and at times pick up a different one just for curiousity.
    Any more questions you want to debate?
    How old do you think the world is?
    Is 7 days of creation 7 literal 24 hour periods of time?

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