Here is a really good article that Byte Daily posted.
http://bytedaily.net/?p=737
The story of the good samaritan is a good example of what Jesus might say about health care.
Both sides want to make the bible fit their cause though.
They both have it backwards.
Instead of making the bible fit their cause, both sides should be trying to fit the bible.
Im so tired of the conservative versus liberal debate. Neither ideology is a biblical concept. Both ideologies are interpretations, or spins, on reality.
I may write more about this later.
Cop notes will be up soon.
No brainer...Jesus would want everyone to have access to health care. He died for us.
ReplyDeleteAlso, wanted to give this link on health care bill update..
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/10/health-care-odds-top-75-percent-wh-happy-for-now.html
or go to good morning america site.
Let's give everyone healthcare. And why stop there? Let's give everyone a job. The government can decide what you should do when you reach a working age, and you just do that job for the rest of your life. Why not let the government make all our decisions for us? Life would be so great without decisions to worry over.
ReplyDeleteGive everyone health care; give everyone a job. Sounds like 1960's USSR to me...
ReplyDeleteI agree with JJ. Left and Right need to stop trying to bend the Bible to suit their agenda.
And yes, Jesus would would want all people to have health care, which we already have. Everyone is talking about having access to health care. It is not about health care, it is about how it is paid for. Anybody can go to the doctor, and get treated. We need reform on how much treatments should be, how much procedures should be, how much insurance is going to be, how much people can sue doctors for, etc. Public option? I don't really want my tax money going to Octo-mom to take care of her and her kids, which probably would if we have a public option, and she is eligable for.
Jesus would heal the sick through his lord God himself and not wait for the government or over priced hospitals or evil insurance companies to deny his beloved flock. But since this is probably not going to be an option for most of us we need health care reform now. Health care for all people. But there will be those who will not be on that bus. They will worry about elbowing themselves ahead and leaving those who have less to fend for themselves behind. After all, isn't that the american way these days? I hate to think about it but that type thinking is what is wrong with our country now. Me first and to heck with others. Thank heavens there are those who don't feel that way. I hope they aren't the majority.
ReplyDeleteWhat would Jesus say if he were alive today?
ReplyDelete"HEY!! SOMEBODY LET ME OUT OF THIS CAVE!!! THIS ISN'T FUNNY!!! GUYS? COME ONE, THE JOKES OVER... WHAT'S IT BEEN, 2000 YEARS OR SO?? COME OOOONNNNNNNNNNN.
LOL, i gotta admit that made me laugh.
ReplyDeletebut, he isn't there. the tomb is empty.
I imagine he would get a chuckle out of that as well.
@ JJ
ReplyDeleteThanks for the track back!
OT - When did the commissioners approve the water utility increase? I don't remember reading about this.
It was a few years ago, 4-5 ?
ReplyDeleteand then they approved a small increase for each year, during last years budget process.
OK - thanks for the clarification. A 7% increase seems high considering the rate we already pay.
ReplyDeleteyea it shouldnt be a 7 percent i dont think ?
ReplyDeleteit is high though
when i lived in s.c., i got my water bill every two months - and i was an out of town customer so paid a higher rate - and i complained about high it was then.
When i got to kansas ... the bill for one month was higher than for two months there.
sticker shock right away. :)
Yep, it is 7% and will start in December - per Carol at the water department. It just seems high and I can't imagine an annual increase at that percentage over X amount of years. Do you happen to know how many years the increase will occur?
ReplyDeleteThe water and sewer and trash rates in this town are astronomical. How do they justify those numbers AND a 7% increase?
ReplyDeleteWell how else they gonna afford all the city workers that stand around watching one do all the work?? Sorry if that makes anyone mad, but I saw it with my own eyes a few times over the years.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, let's see Byte since your invoking Jesus now... Would Jesus think it is empowering to women to abort a baby? Me think not. That sounds like a pretty selfish statement to me.
ReplyDeleteSo quit playing games with God when you think it suits you.
@ 9:09,
ReplyDeleteWere you the class bully in school too? I see no post regarding "God" in which Byte responded. So I guess you are right, when you say "me think not". You didn't think.
Jesus, God - religion in whole. I guess you don't relate Jesus and God together? And if you would read Byte's post that JJ linked you could wrap your little mind around my commment. Go ahead, say your sorry for YOUR not thinking.
ReplyDeleteI find it interesting that the Liberals always complain that the Repbulicans are playing politics with religion, but when the Liberals think they can twist it to suit them, they try to do the same thing.
ReplyDeleteBoth sides try to use religion when they can, when they think it supports them.
ReplyDeleteBut I do think it is a valid point, that on the health care issue, the bible seems to support the liberal view a lot more than the conservative view.
Of course, if you switch to abortion, for example, its just the opposite.
Conservatives try to use the bible all the time. Why should they complain when Liberals do it?
The more important thing on any issue, is .. what does the Bible say about it?
Neither liberal nor conservative are biblical concepts. To try to make the bible fit either one, is having it backwards.
I guess I missed the sermon about government run health care at my church?
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ReplyDeleteYou've missed the point.
If you bothered to read the article you noticed that it started of stating that conservatives are re-writing the bible to remove all the liberal references from it. The author makes an assumption that the story of the good Samaritan would be a liberal qualifier and goes on to support that assumption with an analogy to health care reform.
The entire article is in response to conservatives who want to play politics with the bible. Yes, the very charge you are accusing me of - is the point of the article. Yet, you choose to attack me. Why?
I am not the one invoking Jesus or playing politics with the bible - you are. You further make this point by dismissing me as someone who has no right to talk about religion because I am pro-choice. I can support my position on that issue without invoking Jesus - can you?
I did read it. I guess it is hard to tell where your commentary ends and the article begins. Evidently none of it is your commentary, all just an article you posted? So does that mean you don't beleive in it? Sorry, I don't see the part where you say we really shouldn't use religion? I guess if you don't agree with the article, perhaps you should clarify your opinion. By posting that article you are playing politics with religion. Unless I missed the part where you said not to?
ReplyDeleteI am against any side using religion as a pawn in politics. I'm not against them praying or believing, just using it in situations just like this one.
And I only made the point about religion because it was in your article - just wondered why you don't use religion to support your other position? I would guess because that is not possible. And even though I am a Christian, I never use religion in my position. But I have no interest in debating that topic with you. You've made that point loud and clear.
"Both sides try to use religion when they can, when they think it supports them."
ReplyDeleteAnd you suckers fall for it every time. haha The bible can be twisted around to make it say anything. I can use the bible to make slavery okay. Would you all go for slavery?
Kinda like the Constitution gets twisted.
ReplyDeleteThe bible can be twisted around to make it say anything.
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That is why it is important to know what it says in its entirety.
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one verse by itself has no meaning.
it only means what it means in its context.
But yet people hear one verse and then quote it to others, and then it goes on and on. That is why so many politicians pick out a verse or saying and run with it.
ReplyDeleteI suppose, a lot depends on how you view the Bible.
ReplyDeleteIf you view it as inerrant, and infallible, then yes, you can justify all manner of attrocities.
The problem for me however, is this. If you choose to view it that way, then I think you have to be consistent. There are lots of things the Bible says that we choose not to follow. The bible commands lots of things we chose to ignore.
The Bible says that we should not wear clothing of mixed fibers, that parents should kill disobedient children, that we should not eat shellfish, that we should not divorce, that slaves should obey their masters, that women should be subservient to their husbands, that they should be silent in church… The list goes on and on. Gluttony is a sin, but I see lots of fat pastors.
Scripture has been used throughout history to support all manner of evil. Child abuse, slavery, subjugation of women, imperialism, genocide...
I don’t know about you, but I don’t think God ever commanded the wholesale slaughter of entire countries. Men, women, children, even their animals…
Rather, I think scripture was written to explain calamities, and justify atrocities. Much of what we now consider "prophecy," was written after the fact...
Modern scholarship seems to support this, as there is now evidence that many of our “prophetic” scriptures were written well after the fact.
I believe that scripture is humankind’s best attempt to understand the mind of God, our relationship with God, and God’s will for our lives. Sometimes we get it right, and it is beautiful, other times we get it very wrong, and it is anything but beautiful.
I believe scripture is God inspired, but it was not dictated word for word. It is up to us to look at it critically, and with discernment, and to decide what is in keeping with what we know to be true of God’s nature, and what is not.
I believe God reveals God’s self to us in a variety of ways, through the work of Holy Spirit, through revelation to the church, through reason, and tradition.
I believe God writes God’s law on our hearts. “I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; …” (Jer. 31:33)
We are quick to find fault, to look for differences, to cause division, and condemn.
I believe God’s nature is just the opposite.
Then you have people like JJ who believe everything in the bible is true. Like Noah's ark, or Jonah and the whale.
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