Tuesday, June 2, 2009

Open meetings violation possible, Commissoners say its politics, updated 12:30

City commissioners may have violated the Kansas Open Meetings Act recently. County attorney Chris Smith is investigating after a citizen filed a complaint.
The incident happened at a Cowley County Clean Air Coalition meeting on May 6 when three commissioners were in attendance.
Commissioners Mell Kuhn and Dotty Smith believe the complaint is driven by politics more than substance.
The three commissioners could legally be there together as long as they did not discuss city business or speak for the commission.
One of the commissioners said that the commission would not pass a smoking ban in Arkansas City.
Commissioner Patrick McDonald explained that this constitutes speaking for the commission and that was a violation.
"As soon as I heard that, I knew our goose was cooked," he said.
Commissioners Mell Kuhn and Dotty Smith were also at the meeting.
It was Smith that allegedly said the commission would not pass a smoking ban.
Today Smith said she never intended to speak for the commission.
"I told them that I believe this should go before a vote of the people and not be handled by the city commission," she said. She added that she did not remember saying the commission would not pass such a measure, but she said that even if she did, she was not intending to speak for the commission.
Kuhn said he did not recall the statement being made that the commission would or would not do anything, and he is angered that he and other commissioners are being accused of wrongdoing.
"This is absolutely ridiculous. This shows a lack of concern for the city as a whole by some people. It is just sensationalism," he said this morning. "It just shows the pettiness of some people."
Kuhn said the intent of KOMA regulations are to make sure government is transparent.
"They will be hard pressed to show we did that," he said.
Kuhn argued with the smoking ban supporters at the meeting. He and Smith were not supportive of the ban.
Kuhn said he believes the complaint may be retaliation by some people in the group because he opposed them.
"It could be them propagating this for their own gain," he said.
Smith agreed, saying that she thought there were people who were upset that commissioners were not agreeing with them.
Dotty Smith said she called County Attorney Chris Smith (not related) when she heard that there might have been a violation. She was told a citizen had filed a complaint.
Kuhn said he is not opposed to outlawing smoking in places like a courthouse, but he is opposed to telling private business owners what they may or may not do.
He said the complaint was driven by someone with an axe to grind.
"At the meeting no one else had the idea we were doing anything wrong," he said.
McDonald said it was "another commissioner" who said the commission would not pass a smoking ban.
McDonald said a citizen filed a complaint, so the county attorney has to investigate.
He said the incident should not have happened.
He said if all three spoke as individuals, there would not have been a violation, but once one of them spoke for the commission, it becomes a meeting.
County Attorney Chris Smith could not be reached this morning.
He was quoted in Newscow saying that often in this type situation, commissoners get a letter telling them to not do this again.

THIS story may be updated later today.


Here is a link to informaiton about Kansas Opem Meetings Act on the state attorney general's site.

http://www.ksag.org/content/page/id/140
here is a link to the clean air kansas group

http://www.cleanairkansas.org/

20 comments:

  1. Rules are there for a reason and you can't walk around and pretend to be invincible to them. They should own up to what happened and make sure it doesn't happen again.

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  2. Kuhn thinks he is above the law.

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  3. [Nice photo of the entrance to Brick's]

    JJ, hope you have McDonald on tape or an e-mail, when Doty and Mel get thru woodsheding him, his memory will fail!

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  4. Does the city condone Waterboarding?

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  5. I'm not on either side right now, but exactly how does Mr. Kuhn necessarily know that no one at the meeting knew what was being said and that it is a violation????

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  6. If I were a betting man, I'd bet ethat Patrick talked to someone who then made the complaint. It's tough for people who know and follow the law to sit and watch someone break it.

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  7. My money is on McDonald if it goes to the wood shed.

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  8. I don't really think it matters who reported it. If the law was broken, then they need to get their wrists slapped so they know better next time.

    Bad Dottie...(SMACK) Bad Smelly...(SMACK)

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  9. Please, County Attorney Smith, accomodate commissioner Kuhn, if he wants someone to "bring it on", he should get his wish. Be fair prosecute them both. Apparently his "diversity training" didn't accomplish much. I think the citizens of Arkansas City deserve better representation. Anyone else think the same?

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  10. Absolutely. Kuhn should step down now and save himself, and the city, further embarrassment.

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  11. Bad Dottie, Bad Smelly! How about Bad Patrick? He was there and spoke. He was introduced as a commissioner and still spoke.
    Slap all three wrists and move on.

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  12. But it has been stated that only two spoke as if they were speaking for the commission. Patrick knows better. It is Mell and Dottie who are being looked into, not Patrick.

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  13. Not true. Only Dottie spoke as a commissioner, but Kuhn and Patrick did speak and had been introduced as commissioners. All three are involved, not one more than another. This is another case of a big deal made over nothing.

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  14. Dottie said "This Commission will not..." when she did that, she was "acting" as a commisioner, not just being called a commissioner.

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  15. I agree that its much ado over nothing.
    I just wrote so much about it to show what actually happened.
    What Dotty meant was, she did not BELIEVE the commission would pass a smoking ban. I talked with her a long time yesterday. I really don't think she was meaning to speak for the commission.

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  16. Best laid intentions...

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  17. 6/2 4:13
    I’ll take that bet, Kuhn put Pat in his place several times.

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  18. Where is Pat's place?

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  19. Seems like a frivilous waste of our tax payers money to have our county attorney to investigate that. I may not be a big fan of dottie, but I don't think comment was a big deal.

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  20. But, Kuhn should not be adding fuel to the fire by saying "bring it on."

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